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		<title>By: Roddy Reta</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-288551</link>
		<dc:creator>Roddy Reta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, Keith&#039;s book is with PublishAmerica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, Keith&#8217;s book is with PublishAmerica.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith A Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-286922</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith A Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried, and failed, to persuade any of the dozen agents I contacted to read my manuscript. With hope fading I took the bull by the horns and went straight to the top and offered my book to a major publishing house. Being surprised is such an understaitment, but within three weeks of their recieving it I was offered an advance prior to publication. The book &#039;For Liberty and Freedom&#039; is being released 01/19/2008. My belief that success can only be attained through the assistance of an agent has been shattered. Many of them displayed an arrogance which belied the truth that it is the work of the author which keeps them in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed, and I hold the feeling that they all want the next Stephen King or Dan Brown handed to them on a plate. To the authors of the world I say &quot;Don&#039;t give up.&quot; If your work is of sufficient quality you could have the agents chasing you, instead of the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried, and failed, to persuade any of the dozen agents I contacted to read my manuscript. With hope fading I took the bull by the horns and went straight to the top and offered my book to a major publishing house. Being surprised is such an understaitment, but within three weeks of their recieving it I was offered an advance prior to publication. The book &#8216;For Liberty and Freedom&#8217; is being released 01/19/2008. My belief that success can only be attained through the assistance of an agent has been shattered. Many of them displayed an arrogance which belied the truth that it is the work of the author which keeps them in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed, and I hold the feeling that they all want the next Stephen King or Dan Brown handed to them on a plate. To the authors of the world I say &#8220;Don&#8217;t give up.&#8221; If your work is of sufficient quality you could have the agents chasing you, instead of the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-252439</link>
		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair though, Shannon, those are crooks. There are charlatans and frauds in all walks of life, but it&#039;s particulary easy to call yourself an agent when so many writers are desperate and too many are gripped by their own wishful thinking. I don&#039;t think they should be considered agents. It&#039;s an unwritten rule that there should be no reading fees - in fact I think in the UK that you can only be a member of the Association of Authors&#039; Agents if you do not charge a fee. So it&#039;s a written rule too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair though, Shannon, those are crooks. There are charlatans and frauds in all walks of life, but it&#8217;s particulary easy to call yourself an agent when so many writers are desperate and too many are gripped by their own wishful thinking. I don&#8217;t think they should be considered agents. It&#8217;s an unwritten rule that there should be no reading fees &#8211; in fact I think in the UK that you can only be a member of the Association of Authors&#8217; Agents if you do not charge a fee. So it&#8217;s a written rule too.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is not addressed are the agents who charge &quot;reading fees&quot; and make unrealistic promises and then disappear in the night with your money and a copy of your manuscript/proposal never to be seen or heard from again! Thank you for such an honest discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is not addressed are the agents who charge &#8220;reading fees&#8221; and make unrealistic promises and then disappear in the night with your money and a copy of your manuscript/proposal never to be seen or heard from again! Thank you for such an honest discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-252036</link>
		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balance: we&#039;re in full agreement, Scott.

/And then a rustle of gentle head-nodding and goodwill enveloped the comments board./</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balance: we&#8217;re in full agreement, Scott.</p>
<p>/And then a rustle of gentle head-nodding and goodwill enveloped the comments board./</p>
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		<title>By: Scott at Slushpile.net</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-252034</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott at Slushpile.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the notes about the link being broken. I&#039;ve corrected it.

And yes, I was hesitant about the writer&#039;s self-promotion at the end. But I do think the article raises interesting questions.

At the end of the day, my own attitude towards the publishing industry (both agents and editors) is to strive for a healthy balance. I think as writers we should appreciate and respect the contributions of professionals such as agents, editors, publicists, etc. But we should also recognize our own contributions to our career and be willing to shoulder that burden.

Too many aspiring authors veer wildly from extreme to extreme. Either they hate all agents or else they love a particular agent more than their firstborn child. They either thumb their nose completely at the industry or they sit back and expect to do nothing while the industry handles everything for them.

And that out-of-whack perspective is what I think you&#039;re referring to, Marco. Too many aspiring authors approach agents with a self-defeatist, arrogant, and antagonistic attitude. I&#039;ve seen query letters that drip with bitterness and begin with &quot;I know you won&#039;t read my submission because I don&#039;t have a famous last name.&quot; Then those people wonder why they get rejected.

And while articles like this one make for an interesting discussion, I think aspiring authors are best served by maintaining a good balance and proper perspective on the industry. I haven&#039;t always done that myself. But the more and more I learn, the more I realize that levelheaded perspective is what&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the notes about the link being broken. I&#8217;ve corrected it.</p>
<p>And yes, I was hesitant about the writer&#8217;s self-promotion at the end. But I do think the article raises interesting questions.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, my own attitude towards the publishing industry (both agents and editors) is to strive for a healthy balance. I think as writers we should appreciate and respect the contributions of professionals such as agents, editors, publicists, etc. But we should also recognize our own contributions to our career and be willing to shoulder that burden.</p>
<p>Too many aspiring authors veer wildly from extreme to extreme. Either they hate all agents or else they love a particular agent more than their firstborn child. They either thumb their nose completely at the industry or they sit back and expect to do nothing while the industry handles everything for them.</p>
<p>And that out-of-whack perspective is what I think you&#8217;re referring to, Marco. Too many aspiring authors approach agents with a self-defeatist, arrogant, and antagonistic attitude. I&#8217;ve seen query letters that drip with bitterness and begin with &#8220;I know you won&#8217;t read my submission because I don&#8217;t have a famous last name.&#8221; Then those people wonder why they get rejected.</p>
<p>And while articles like this one make for an interesting discussion, I think aspiring authors are best served by maintaining a good balance and proper perspective on the industry. I haven&#8217;t always done that myself. But the more and more I learn, the more I realize that levelheaded perspective is what&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-251874</link>
		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, the article doesn&#039;t quite deserve the praise you give it - it uses the recent happenings at PFD in London to catch the interest of the reader and then clumsily segues into some self-promotion for the playwright.... and the link to the website at the end takes you to a site where the headline asks you to sponsor his film for £50. So: He gave up on writing books and is self-producing a small play (which has finished its run) and asking for money to &#039;make a movie&#039;. This is to prove that his agents were the ones who lacked sufficient determination? And that he made it as a writer by other means?

Even if my novel has been turned down, at least I know its been turned down by the editorial heads of the biggest publishing houses who are on first name terms with my agent. I would never have been able to get it into their hands by myself. And my agent does all of this for free - not a penny up front. How many other businesspeople will pin their reputation to your work with no promise of any reward? It isn&#039;t like hiring an accountant or a lawyer - an agent will be judged by your work just as you are. If it&#039;s rejected, that hurts them too.
Perhaps my mistake was not to turn it into a play and to get the guardian to let me self-promote by hitching onto a current event into which I can offer little insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, the article doesn&#8217;t quite deserve the praise you give it &#8211; it uses the recent happenings at PFD in London to catch the interest of the reader and then clumsily segues into some self-promotion for the playwright&#8230;. and the link to the website at the end takes you to a site where the headline asks you to sponsor his film for £50. So: He gave up on writing books and is self-producing a small play (which has finished its run) and asking for money to &#8216;make a movie&#8217;. This is to prove that his agents were the ones who lacked sufficient determination? And that he made it as a writer by other means?</p>
<p>Even if my novel has been turned down, at least I know its been turned down by the editorial heads of the biggest publishing houses who are on first name terms with my agent. I would never have been able to get it into their hands by myself. And my agent does all of this for free &#8211; not a penny up front. How many other businesspeople will pin their reputation to your work with no promise of any reward? It isn&#8217;t like hiring an accountant or a lawyer &#8211; an agent will be judged by your work just as you are. If it&#8217;s rejected, that hurts them too.<br />
Perhaps my mistake was not to turn it into a play and to get the guardian to let me self-promote by hitching onto a current event into which I can offer little insight.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-251868</link>
		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your &#039;interesting article&#039; words are linking to the wrong article, I think...

for what it&#039;s worth, I haven&#039;t been published but have been represented (unsuccessfully) by three highly-regarded London agents over the past 10 years - and I&#039;ve received a lot of help and advice from each of them... even though, obviously, the first two weren&#039;t able to sell the novels they were handling at the time, they each gave the relevant project their best shot...  can&#039;t complain.

I think a lot of writers have too little empathy for the agent&#039;s role/life/perspective when they approach them and suffer as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your &#8216;interesting article&#8217; words are linking to the wrong article, I think&#8230;</p>
<p>for what it&#8217;s worth, I haven&#8217;t been published but have been represented (unsuccessfully) by three highly-regarded London agents over the past 10 years &#8211; and I&#8217;ve received a lot of help and advice from each of them&#8230; even though, obviously, the first two weren&#8217;t able to sell the novels they were handling at the time, they each gave the relevant project their best shot&#8230;  can&#8217;t complain.</p>
<p>I think a lot of writers have too little empathy for the agent&#8217;s role/life/perspective when they approach them and suffer as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Volponi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Volponi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was turned down by several agents and publishers for a completed novel that eventually won one organization&#039;s young adult novel of the year and is currently being read in high schools across the country. So what did they know. But the turning point was finding an agent who was as passionate about the work as me. And then the publishers followed suit. How did I luck into that agent? E-mailing four or five a day from a listing in Writer&#039;s Market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was turned down by several agents and publishers for a completed novel that eventually won one organization&#8217;s young adult novel of the year and is currently being read in high schools across the country. So what did they know. But the turning point was finding an agent who was as passionate about the work as me. And then the publishers followed suit. How did I luck into that agent? E-mailing four or five a day from a listing in Writer&#8217;s Market.</p>
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		<title>By: Roddy Reta</title>
		<link>http://www.slushpile.net/index.php/2007/09/25/the-ineffectiveness-of-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-251532</link>
		<dc:creator>Roddy Reta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, amazingly, new writers get agents every day.  Just look at all the debuts each year.  It&#039;s simplistic to say &quot;it&#039;s impossible to get an agent.&quot;  What you&#039;re really saying is &quot;I can&#039;t get an agent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, amazingly, new writers get agents every day.  Just look at all the debuts each year.  It&#8217;s simplistic to say &#8220;it&#8217;s impossible to get an agent.&#8221;  What you&#8217;re really saying is &#8220;I can&#8217;t get an agent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, long overdue, and duly noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, long overdue, and duly noted.</p>
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